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the Combined Authority
thank you to my audit and Salford for hosting us today
ITEM 1 apologies received from Councillor Sir Richard Leese Sue Murphy attending for Richard Councillor Elise Wilson Tom McGee attending for police and Councillor David Jones and we have a Councillor to more Tariq attending vote at David
item two chairs announcements and urgent business I'm sorry to have to inform the Combined Authority
of the the sudden death of extremely well known and much loved Salford Councillor
John Ferguson on the night of the 5th of October John was eight 76 and I'm sure known
to many people here today and certainly a dynamic force over the years within this very very Chamber and ensure met Máire Dennett knows that only a only to too well I think made a huge contribution to two Life in Salford in in so many ways
and given that it's John's funeral today it felt right to out to begin today's Combined Authority
by paying our respects to him for his public service but also sending out
our love and condolences to them to John's at John's family
I don't have made and would like to a

[Seat 12 - 0:01:39]

thank you Laburnum and thanks very much for the kind words and words of respect to mean John was a very kind of humble caring honest selfless straight talking actually and hardworking individual and he now he really epitomised the labour movement for me he was a strong trade unionist he was a socialist An dedicated his life and work to to the City of Salford
and he will be
sorely miss really within this City Council but also within the Labour movement and the party because John's real enthusiasm was organizing on the left of the Labour party for socialism and yet he held lows of positions in our campaigning for him or constituency Labour party regional positions in the trade unions and also on the regional board of our Labour party here in the North West so John will be sorely missed in this city but I think he'll be sorely missed across our movement and across this country so thank you for your kind words today is his funeral and we will be paying respects and leaving from the Town Hall today around 2 15 so thank you very much revenue

[Seat 38 - 0:02:50]

thank you thank Paul so please do convey him can buy up our respect sir to to John's family a sad day of soon
to glean poignant with us all being here today but it does give us the opportunity to remember him and his his contribution so thank you very much colleagues and second item on the Chair's announcements am I have asked that the Chief Constable to come as Morley and very pleasing that you were able to find time to come 2
update the Combined Authority on the introduction of the IOC's system within Greater Manchester police
force had been warned it's fair to say over a number of years about the outdated system that it was operating
way beyond though I might say it's a its expected life and that was presenting a number of risks
of financial but also with regard to a policing and public safety and the
her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary had won the number of times that the system needed to be updated and
that work had been set in train a number of years ago
and signed off by Tony Lloyd in his role as interim mayor
and it needed to be done because the Force at some point had to move from the old world in which it was operating into a new world it was always going to be a major undertaking and it's why
in and his colleagues have dedicated a lot of resource at to this are set to manage the transition in working diligently to work through the issues but it's fair to say there are still a number of issues of concern and some of those have been raised in the media at this week so it felt right to me to ensure that those concerns could be raised in this forum and obviously in as chief constable given an opportunity to respond to those concerns so before I introduced the chickens I wonder whether the deputy Mayor might just add a little more to what I've got seen them perhaps introducing Boris bikes

[Seat 21* - 0:05:08]

thank you Mr. Allen the the technical and operational details to the Chief Constable when he speaks in a moment
I really just wanted to reassure all people here
the in in terms of my role in the Mayor's role
that that we have kept a very very close eye with the Chief Constable on this process of implementation An are regularly monitoring and reviewing that the progress and
this will have been the most significant a transformation in IT increasing in the UK for some time and other services will have to go down this route or after us as they replace there are systems and when it is fully embedded it will have absolutely transformational impact on how we can respond better to the public in terms of of demand and or keep our communities safe
I also want to reassure everybody that the planning for this was detailed
and very long in the making and included as far as could be foreseen
built-in contingencies including the ability to increase the capacity within the police service to deal with issues because it was known that there would be challenges and we tried to anticipate those I think most have been anticipated an early one which wasn't or in the control work side of the system was the failure of the electronic transfer of case files into the CPS which I've talked about before
we work closely with the CPS to work around that initially that is now resolved and the electronic transfer of case files into the crown prosecution service is now at 95 percent which is at least as high if not higher as they react pre-apps' and system there are other
consequences of implementing the system that are still being worked through and the number of the incidents that all live that is being investigated or is higher than it normally is that is the cases with police officers under investigation
and some of the safeguarding cases as well and there are higher numbers in those groups
there are none of those cases simply being left and sitting in a backlog as has been reported that is not the case all these cases are being actively managed investigated or triaged and either dealt with by the police Service of it's a crime incident or referred on to the appropriate erm
agency or a hub if it's a safeguarding issue so this is still work in progress
I think the police Service do depend a lot on information coming from partner agencies so those issues you may still be having in your local areas we actually want to hear about them because they can be responded to an unhelpful term to work through them and I'm very grateful for the way that's been done largely by partners across the whole of a Greater Manchester so I'm not underestimating the challenges we've had and not underestimating the scale of what we still need to be addressed what I am saying No this is absolutely being carefully monitored the situation is under control and we will respond to issues that emerge as we hear about them and that work is going on now as we speak it will take some months I mean this constant was not confident that this periodic
uploads to this system to
bring all new functionality
progressively that is planned there so it will take some months before is system beds down properly
and I really appreciate the work that the partners have done to help us minimise the impact and to make that progress as quickly as we can and keep

[Seat 38 - 0:09:29]

furthermore in the absence of a good and over to you

[Seat 35* - 0:09:37]

these are working yet Lahiri
good afternoon everyone and Mayor thank you for the opportunity to come and speak today one of the things I wanted to start by saying is that there's been some commentary around the lack of scrutiny and the lack of accountability in relation to such a major change programme well just remind colleagues in the room that I have been to see leaders are being Chief execs I'd met with deter ered the Directors of Children's Services representatives or I was with the Deputy Mayor with the police and Crime Panel which was live-streamed or an order News where Saturn back of the room so certainly from my perspective it doesn't feel like there has been a lack of scrutiny around this let alone the commentary that has been going on in the media and
the other thing that I really wanted
to to start with by saying
policing is carrying on
despite everything
that you may hear
a and some of the concerns that we have
we have had an incredibly
busy summer
we've dealt with extinction rebellion which dealt with the Conservative party conference with dealt with a significant incidents at the Arndale or as well as the usual murders and serious and organised crime child sexual exploitation cases and policing carries on and in terms of the way we
police with police
with people
we police with the
assistance of you as partners and jaw professionals that work alongside us every single day and tackling some of the serious issues we face in Greater Manchester we don't police by a computer system it is there to support and help her so immediate
harm and risk to individuals and communities is dealt with by officers attending using their professional judgement and expertise and escalating those most serious things so that they are they are dealt with so some of the things that are coming out around the queues and things but not being triaged in the system are
where we've got
wider concerns but not where there is a here and now risk to people in our communities that is dealt with as it always has been whilst was responding and putting in the interventions that are required
and so just to build on what Andrew said in terms of why we
did it well
ageing technology not fit for purpose for the 21st century and actually the number one thing on why corporate risk register was catastrophic failure of whole systems which would have led to us being in a
really really difficult
ERT situation the main command and control system was nearly 30 years old and was actually for those that have seen it
I green
print on a black screen and resemble something like 19 80 space invader machine
multiple systems some of which spoke to each of some of which didn't which relate required multiple at training of staff with different logins different but passwords and different ways of operating the system
it also didn't allow us to share information and receive information from partner agencies such as your yourselves which is a key
a really key ingredient
to us policing in a much more sophisticated way in the future
it was also an self developed and self maintained so we had a huge IT department of software developers and software engineers to keep the whole thing running and of course over time those skills diminish or and people move on and so there's a skills gap around being able to maintain your own systems and
are clearly
an enormous revenue costs so
there was the ageing
technology and the criticality of losing their against a shrinking budget at that meant that we have
really different and
significant changes to the way that we have operated the service so as part of our 225 million pounds savings that we've made over the last eight years some of this was about getting rid of all those in house engineers stopped developing our own software and go for commercially off the shelf products that is now part of a managed systems others around about half a million pounds revenue savings every year because of the new the new systems
the next thing I wanted to touch on was the impact on on staff because again a lot has been said about in unprecedented numbers of people coming forward to the media etc etc so policing nationally and locally is under significant pressure and that is evidenced by the frontline review that the the previous police minister Nick Hurd lead on its evidence from our own staff engagement survey many many of my colleagues are at breaking point because of the cuts are too to our resources because of the changing nature of demand because of the
inert the
incessant amount of really traumatic incidents that they have to go to deal with if you just think back over the last few years the things that we have collectively dealt with all of this impacts on on my staff
you add on to that that we have changed our entire information systems and therefore changed many of their business processes and it has added massively to the anxiety that they were already failing so I am not surprised that people are struggling and are coming forward and saying that they they can't cope
but it isn't in the way
that is being described there has been a huge programme of work to support them and that is ongoing and that's ranged from initial training through two on-site support with experts with subject matter experts with 24 hour a day helplines etc etc. as well as actually welfare provision again has been reported that people are leaving and people going off sick and it is just frankly not true and actually in 20 19 that there are fewer police officers have left GMP than in any year since 2 thousand and 11 am Suranne about 100 less which has which is really good in terms of us retaining that experience
I am concerned I am still concerned about some of the things that are in the queues but actually the confidence levels are growing around those things now at one of the things I think are seems to have been forgotten is that we've always had queues because quite frankly we can't cope with everything that comes in every day so we do after triage things we've always had queues and
what never been spoken
about and unfortunately some learning in this the sharing the levels of open crimes open incidents intelligence logs things waiting for assessment in the past might have been a good height here at so that people now wouldn't be going all my goodness knows 36 thousand open crimes when normally it's about 25 thousand and something that some learning for us but we have got greater visibility around that than we've ever had because of the the the new system
so those are being being worked
through and actually we get a daily dashboard which shows the are shared with the deputy mayor another Mayors seen recently the
the incidents by grade now back to pre iOS levels which is which is really good so where we are at some firm less than less than 15 hundred ongoing open open incidents and the crimes without classification so that's where we've recorded a crime but it's not been through the process of of following the Home Office counting rules they that peaked at about six and a half thousand were down to around 3 3 thousand 300
the open crimes are still high stilts about 30 36 thousand but
usually have about 25 thousand so that crimes are under investigation now you will have seen some of the stuff in the media of I am in a me saying that we only actually investigate thoroughly 60 percent of crime because we screen out around about 40 percent vertical 8 to manage demand but also you can't investigate everything to the nth degree it is just futile I am
within that
36 thousand a lot of the issue is that this probably around about 10 thousand just haven't been closed yet where there's no further lines of inquiry may need closing a LA is a system issue it's not that people aren't having their crimes in investigated
there was a lot
a difficulties around the answering of calls to start with when I was nine I lines and we saw a An increase him in the time they are back to normal normal levels I mean as of the 23rd of October 2 minutes 42 as an average for one by one and that's
with the national
live chat system having been out of action for a month because of so it's a national security issues around that 9 9 nines back to to the to the times that we would be expecting a roundabout 12 12 seconds clearly these peak depending on them at the time of day
am the really important bit is
the measure of staff confidence is going up
and we measure that on an ongoing basis and the system performance is really stable after the issues that we had in the in the first few were few days and as the Deputy Mayor is said 95 percent of electronic files now going through to the CPS the latest feedback from the CPS is that there are very satisfied with where we are and just by way of example you have seen played out in the media a lot or by officers not being safe because of the mapping system
the the figures around
the mapping system pre-Alps
the old system for example in June failed nine times in January eight times are in December last year seven times while
since July
the new systems failed twice three times four times four times and so we're actually getting better performance nobody ever used to raise an issue about it when the old system went down but all of a sudden because we've got a new system everybody wants to talk about it so we're seeing much more stability within the system where I think
the challenge
remains for us is around and
some of the work with children's services and adult social care in particular within those queues now we are working with the districts and some districts report that they'd gone no issues whatsoever they know what's in the Cure's they've got a handle on it between between Children's Services Adult social Services and and the police so if focusing a lot of effort working with the DCS is locally through our senior managers to understand and triage Watson in those queues now there's big numbers bandied about
under this heading of a care plan but a care plan is just a form that GMP use is to say Ashley riff assessed an incident and we think that the some wider issues in their that require a wrap-around from partner agencies and ourselves to mitigate any future risk it covers adult it covers children and it covers a general care plans now when you dig into each area some of those numbers for children in particular are really quite low and they've been through all of all of those but that's where I'm saying until I know exactly what's in those queues am there is still potentially some some risking their that we don't know about but it is not immediate risk as where I go back to immediate risk is dealt with by us deploying to it assessing and escalating and then all of the practice that comes in every single day through our daily management meetings are pacesetter meetings how local supervisors manage those those incidents and escalated where where necessary and so we are working through that and I understand you know some people are still really concerned about it and we might need to put some more effort into that and we are prepared to do it as I say some I'll say we've got no problem locally we absolutely nowhere we are where we are I've got some figures that I can share with the Chief execs that shows where each of the areas
are in terms of those measures
and a lot of it is his green across the board I am and I think that will be reassuring for people in the room also
I think that an area that will get better in the New Year is around intelligence we had to put some workarounds in in terms of the intelligence system which we knew about because things weren't ready for it for go live and again the intelligence assessment queues are coming down but it is one of the more problematic areas for us as a software drop early in the new year which will fix some of that but again this isn't about immediate intelligence that needs actually this is a intelligence going into the system that might give us background information and all of those sorts of things where there's just some delays in getting onto the system in assessing it and a lot has been made about
with being sent to incidents and we don't know this and we don't know that the legacy systems are still there and searchable and every single one of those incidents that have been highlighted either in the media also other means to us when we've been and investigated it
it comes to nothing because the intelligence is less often told about officers being sent to a house as well as people with access and as weapons and all those sorts things and they weren't told there's no intelligence the intelligence is there in the early days in particular it was about as helping and supporting colleagues to
be able to access it in a timely manner and and actually the Mayor has seen first hand the system with our call handlers where that is all really really visible so if it comes up or that the caller has got domestic abuse history or the child of use all those weapons it is absolutely plain as day for people people to see and so some of that I find a little bit frustrating some of it is a legacy stuff
but there is access to intelligence there always has been
and the new system and will continue to move forward and and provide as much better information than we've ever had previously to be honest
so an
and actually we are operating to to the national standard around our data now that has been set by the police Service in terms of how we use intelligence and information in the system and many forces in the UK will not be able to achieve that until they undertake this for the transformation programme that we've taken so I'll stop there and D and taking questions

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I very much indeed in
any colleagues liked to to raise any questions with the Chief
if there are still take them all together if that's OK then he asked you to respond to it all and so Councillor David greenhouse

[Seat 3 - 0:24:37]

I and N can scarcely for Bolton am
I suppose what has full I want to thank you for coming to down I think we all appreciate that and that's it important to put that on record that we appreciate the if you've come to dance and spoken to us and I just want to talk about the communication really with the with the other authorities an because I have to say it hasn't been as good as I feel it should have been and I feel that with would not be made aware of even some of the issues that you speak of today soon enough to be able to react an earlier and I think some assurances that were given earlier on were actually a little unhelpful because we were told quite early on that some of the things were blown out of all proportion and that there was nothing to worry about and clearly from your statement today there are things that we should still be really concerned about not all of us may be but some of us in our authorities should be really concerned about and I just want some assurance is really about communication moving forward that we are going to try and get ahead of the curve and be more proactive rather than reactive
which after you are being proactive but we are having as authorities in some instances to be reactive because when not in full an possession of all the information and I think there is an issue in your service of people and releasing information which is completely inappropriate information An and
and I think that that is something that you should all have to deal with I'm sure you are dealing with and surely acutely aware of internally I think we probably have issues in our own authorities as well about people releasing information that is again a wholly inappropriate but I think that is because we are not ahead of the curve and because we are not
we pride ourselves on partnership working and I think we should move that forward we do work well together and I think we should absolutely embrace that and meet this head on with what warts and all what are the issues and let us deal with this together and get this done together no doubt this will be the most fantastic innovation for at for the police moving forward but we need to get through this period where there are clearly some issues and we need to be open and honest with one another get these joint working upon she working together so I hope that's as positive with with some of the negatives as well but I feel we have to admit to and we have to move forward to get and get on a downward thank you

[Seat 38 - 0:27:24]

unstated or any other colleagues want to raise a question or concern Madonna
yet thank you

[Seat 12 - 0:27:33]

obviously we made reference to the press and I did read the article in the Manchester evening News are a couple of days ago actually which talks about the backlog of open crimes that still need investigating I talked about the number increasing between 25 thousand two 42 thousand
but it's not the number that I'm directly interested in Harris is the issue around safeguarding concerns still requiring assessment and potential referral to other agencies and it talks about a number in their of 5 thousand and now I've listened carefully to what you've had to say this morning sounds like you providing those reassurances around those 5 thousand cases I guess I'm just ask you to comment really on on those numbers rarely because when you see a number like 5 thousand safeguarding concerns within Greater Manchester need to dress it does raise real concerns in my mind that were over every single one of those cases and I'd also like to echo the words of my colleague and I really thanking appreciate you coming here today to addresses in open session that is really appreciated because for me doing doing government
accountably and transparently as really really important because there's clearly a public interest in all of this so thank you
both Councillor Sara Rowbotham

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I'm sorry
nobody else Councillor

[Seat 18 - 0:29:51]

I thank you Mr. Mayor just to upon recorder from Barry's point you are thanks
to their needs from the very division because they are cats are dcs dcs informed of any issues around safeguarding and then we've been able to clear up any misunderstanding or very quickly so we've got an open dialogue amongst
very division and our local authority were few of us worked quite well to there's been some issues are being well documents and discussed today and also portrayed in the media as marvellous learnings around a lack of communication I think it is important and a as cancers sourer Robin just said in terms of realising this reality policing today and that sometimes missed in in the context of this new system for example round De
the 1 one service improvements have taken place there over the last 12 months the increase of capacity within the service as well the introduction live charm and the imbalance heart there on a residence resume groups as well I think it's important to look at and has been lots of comments on
the staff health and wellbeing of police officers are clearly that spirit issue outside of this initiative that's been picked up there and I know from my experience as a former Chair of the police and Crime Panel that this many initiatives taken place in terms of addressing some of those issues but we have to be honest with the reality of significant budgetary constraints on the police force and the fact that advising crimes and complex crime within the District that is obviously have an impact on individuals or by thing you know as the Chief Constable has said with any new system we find this within local authorities there is risk resistance to change but the new system was clearly outdated withdraw two key lessons I think for both GM people suffer the partneragencies tick winless

[Seat 38 - 0:32:04]

thanks very much Councillor Brenda Warrington

[Seat 26 - 0:32:11]

I thank him as Chair can I also add my thanks to the Chief Constable the criminal law here today to give us this opportunity to raise their concerns and questions
my concern drill I mean and I do agree with with what's already been raised so far but mark my concern at the moment o areas and I'm not sure what the term is in its and policing terms but
it may be of lower level kind of crimes are three Sam pulled a burglaries whether it's shed saw homes or car theft or in or theft from cars the kind of thing the I Know I go regular to my Neighbourhood Watch meetings and in a particular area they seem to be constantly targeted by these criminals who literally target the area it is a nice area and in other criminal seems to know that the doesn't seem it's it's not that we expect an officer on every corner that is not the case but I think what has disappointed the residents in the particular area I am referring to is what they perceive and I accept it may be a perception as or a lack of police interest you know in what has happened to them as a victim of crime I don't know that we are treating the victims in a sensitive way because obviously any crime no matter how petty some one may think it is or can be quite a big event for someone and I just wonder
are we able to deal with these kind of situations that are happening day in and day out believe me
in a way that is sensitive and people do feel that the police are definitely trying to help them even though this possibly little chance of catching the culprits really it just seems that the responses they get is there is nothing we can do basically and and that doesn't give anyone you know the sorts of confidence that we need

[Seat 38 - 0:34:27]

you know for people to have in the police thank you
what will the so included wanting to respond to those on those comments and thank you colleagues for food that you use up

[Seat 35* - 0:34:40]

first of all thank you for the kind and supportive comments and and as always it's a pleasure to come and speak to you because as I said the partnership between all of us is just integral to keeping the people of Greater Manchester safe and I'm very happy to come in and the or meet with you whenever whenever you you wish I am
I mean Councillor Warrington's ones I think a slightly separate on I'll cover that offer the answer for or for pick up some of the others took to start with a start with Councillor greenhouse and actually the police and Crime Panel I was asked what I would do differently
as I said comes comes and welcomes so we did have a plan we had quite a strong plan Officer I am in for 10 Local authorities we run that through a stretch aware of got local commanders the plan was that they would
you know share the information at a at a local local level and and a lot of that was done in and against him of the feedback has been positive some some less so
and in fact I we did get a neymar from your Director Children's Services a few weeks ago saying what a fantastic support them and communication between each of them but I think you know with hindsight we could have done more AGM in terms of
the sort of the transparency I think that I personally have been incredibly transparent about the issues from from the very very beginning I have to say I was very robust with some of the headlines which have been rather unhelpful that officers were going to die people are going to die
you know we've had to work through some facet of never shied away from this was always going to be really difficult and it is the right thing to do
the negativity on occasions as as overwhelmed what we have what we're trying to to achieve
I think there's a wider reflection for all of us and I said this to two and InBev last night in the
actually as a as a public servant when you're trying to do transformation and make big strategic change whether as to improve the service or whether it's to make efficiencies when you get the type of reaction that we've had to this it makes you wonder why you are why bother and it would have been easier to just stick with the old system and and say Well it failed but it's really old and all that sort of stuff so I think this is a lesson in it for us around how do we deal with transformational change in an environment that is
on occasions as toxic as we've seen over the last three weeks I am somewhat commitment is we will continue to talk to you at a local level I'll continue to talk to you
a force forced level and
I think Councillor Councillor Dennett's points at the open crimes it is coming down and as I say the number is big but actually this we estimate as about 10 thousand open crimes are just needs signing often and the supervisors locally haven't been able to to do that we'd given them access to be able to do it and so that we consider clear the decks with stuff that is just going nowhere
and then move forward a tyre and normal sorts of levels
one I think that the system has given us the ability to do is to record crime at the front end when it comes in so some of what Councillor Warrington were saying in terms of that quality of service for victims the system for the first time will enable us to do that whereas in the past people couldn't get a crime number and all those sorts of things for several hours or days later and
I think that the area where there is the most concern is around this care plans and care plan is a very broad term as as I said in an alert is pulled up on the phone to look at I can't see Salford on the phone or specifically but I can see the three areas which is Stockport Trafford and Salford the commander Chorlton Ellen and when you dig into that across those three years 370 child-welfare care plans in the system at the there are being assessed and and worked on so there is a big number but when you take it down to what are we really talking about here across those three 370 portfolio for the area the comes on the Salford Stockport and Trafford which is a manageable number for us to be able to work through collectively and and look at how the wider number then consists of or are of adults missing all those sorts of things the Bill Bill that big of a bigger picture so
we are working through it and as I said be assured that there is no immediate threat within their these are some of the wider issues where we'd got concerns that we would why they want a flag on the system should we get any further calls or where we need to put some intervention in the might be different to an immediate intervention so we're working at that through
thank you for your comments and I think a litre to say anything more rounder and similarly Tariq think very very helpful and reassuring from my perspective and Councillor Warrington's point is a is a much wider point about where we find ourselves because of the cuts that we faced over the last eight years and now I have been really really clear for a very long time both when I was the deputy of until 20 15 and since I've been chief we cannot cope with everything that comes through the door of GMP you can't cope with everything that comes through the door of your local authorities so you have to make really really difficult decisions to when I instigated the operating model for it for GMP it was based on dealing with threat harm and risk
I we make some really tough decisions every day based on threat harm and risk so you know what I've said in the past is that if you are particularly are facing something that is really significant your community in terms of the threat to an individual or the community or its at the highest end in terms of levels of violence sexual crime you get a really good service from the Samoan improving service
and you know and we have learned lots and lots of lessons around things like dealing with victims of child sexual exploitation and rape and domestic abuse is not perfect but you still get a really good service if you are particularly vulnerable
you get a really good service from us
you know the amount of missing from homes that we go and deal with the amount of mental health issues that we're dealing with do know that there's a grand total of 100 at the equivalent of 100 60 officers a year dealing with missing from homes across Greater Manchester the vast proportion of them coming from looked after care and there was over 500 incidents of people with mental ill health wanting to jump off motorway bridges or train bridges across Greater Manchester last year that level of vulnerability we are really giving a good service to or in support of the services that you provide the people in the middle of the people who have really suffered and they are not getting the service they deserve and they are not getting the service that we would want to have given them
quite frankly so yes we are telling people some really difficult things in terms of I am really sorry you bicycle was stolen we shed was broken into as no lines of inquiry will not dealing with it that is not an excuse to not treat them with the respect and dignity that they deserve or as a victim and where we do get a complaints of
officers not doing that and not providing that victim support we follow it up very very robustly am which is why I really welcomed the support that we got initiator for a further 320 officers
and why I cautiously welcome announcements from the government in terms of the the uplift and we are going to get another 300 47 officers over the next 18 months as part of of that
and again that is really good so if you take those two together that will give us this year and the next 18 months another 600 and 47 667 officers as still these may Roundabout 14 hundred short of where it was in 2 thousand 11
and quite frankly that is not a good place to be and I think people's expectations are going through the roof because everybody's just talking about 20 thousand additional officers only takes nine months from any walk through the door of the training school to when they walk out on independent patrol am between 45 and 60 percent of my front line asked U-turn officers and that any experience is going to be really difficult for us to manage over coming here so I am concerned what a great opportunity it is but people's expectations are going up through the roof and and they're expecting us to deliver on staff have not had one new officer of the 20 thousand walk through the door of champion and as yet and people all of a sudden think we're going to be able to transform the way we operate overnight we're not this is going to take years to two and get back to a position that we were a number of years ago

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o chickens LaMalfa refund you very much for coming as m samples of the the honest and open way in which adult with all of the or all of the questions I think it was right that we did have this discussion today in this in this forum
councillor greenhouse said on the one hand there's a narrative has had everything's been blown out of all proportions nothing to see and then the other
has been responsible for everything has been going wrong and neither of those versions are correct as ever the truth lies in somewhere in between
so well that there is substantial progress that challenges and concerns remain nothing that's the message that's come come over today and it's been right then to really focus on those so that we can have a shared understanding of what still needs to be done to get this right
and I think we succeeded
in doing that today so
thank you again for coming
sorry to have delayed the CME to this morning but I think it was important that we had that discussion took place very much in
her colleagues moving on then with the agenda are
declarations of interest if they could be completed
in the normal fashion and group
item for to approve minutes of our meetings of 27th September and 7th of October they approved
Item 5 minutes of the GMCA Audit Committee 9th of October to note
Item 6 minutes of the GMCA Resources Committee to note
Item 7 minutes of the Transport Committee 11th October to note
Item 8
GMCA appointments and that is to note the appointment of Councillor Wendy Cox as a substitute member for Councillor
robot them
to the Joint Health Commissioning Board and secondly to note the appointment of Councillor Keith Cunliffe to replace Councillor Terry Halliwell
on the Greater Manchester pension Fund noted he Q colleagues
I to 9 sporting the memorandum of understanding refresh
Councillor render Warrington

[Seat 26 - 0:46:12]

An living programme and key parts of this is our unique relationship with Sport England and the memorandum of understanding which has led to an innovative partnership
which is is extremely welcome
10 million pound investment in programmes across the GM had been realised more adults are moving in GM apparently up by one point 7 percent since 2 thousand 15 16 which is actually triple the national average increase of point 5 percent and 69 point 6 per cent of the population is active which is progress towards our GM Moving target of 75 per cent who we want to be moving by 20 25 the gap is closing between the least active and the most active and of all the boroughs across GM
they refreshed memoranda of understanding will actually build on the strengths of Greater Manchester partners and will draw on the expertise in Sport England to underpin our efforts going forward we hope other everyone will continue to achieve the sorts of improvements that have been seen to date
and it is the same paper that has actually just been approved in the health and care partnership and so I obviously am hope that the Combined Authority can also and door-set
thank you Chair

[Seat 38 - 0:47:48]

but Roach indeed Brenda as you said some genuine progress to be celebrated here
the lowest ever number on record of a Grossman's residents who are classified as inactive and
an increase in physical activity three times the national rate item that is evidence of devolution working given that we put sport and physical activity at the heart of so much of what we're of what we are trying to do so genuine progress this memorandum only strengthens our partnership with Sport England or even even further
the Leader of Oldham Council herself doing our bit on Sunday running the mill town raises as it's called the Oldham half marathon
the course of which resembles the Pyrenees as far as I can make out so
the leaves on getting his excuses in early they not be feeling too well having a route chancer were
well their guilt will show me a clean pair of heels no dance Sunday
but we were absolutely making progress the active souls revolution the permission for people to wear their trainers to work is certainly something that caught the imagination of people
across across Greater Manchester some observers more than more than others
but it's a really positive story and it goes to the heart of
building health wellbeing and resilience within our population so thank you Brenda would any colleagues like to come in on this in this item
councillor Sean feeling I think is right to reply at the

[Seat 28 - 0:49:36]

bitter blow thank you I will get to that in a moment but I just wanted to refer to the pint and a four-point 3 where there is some information about congestion being a key challenge in Greater Manchester and Councillor Brett was correct in highlighting that abuts I've cycled here to this meeting today and the reason that I've done that is not just about erm keeping fit for because I'm before I got rid of my car I was observing people zipping past as I was stuck in traffic on the bike and so being active is not just about going to the gym or John sports seem or whatever it something that can be incorporated as part of your daily routine as I do now and you don't even have to be as mothers Andy and I are in running the Oldham half marathon on Sunday which I think the Pyrenees underestimate how difficult that course that you've got to find that course on Sunday
but I think I also need to take the opportunity to say that my pins tweet and a pin Facebook post is the link to the JustGiving page where you can all donate some money towards real change Oulton which is what Andy in Iran in the half marathon in aid of

[Seat 38 - 0:50:39]

thank you ensure that donations are flying in as we are as we as we speak answer it's only positive story thank you very much
to everyone who has actually been a part of this and all the team at G are moving and greater support they've done a fantastic job and put on record our appreciation so if colleagues are could ask you to to note and agree the recommendations
thank you very much Item 10 Greater Manchester local industrial strategy implementation
Jim Taylor
to introduce on behalf of
that Sir Richard Leese

[Seat 12* - 0:51:17]

as chiasso where as you say the report updates the GMCA on the implementation plan for the Greater Manchester local industrial strategy and also the associated resource requirements and just want to mention two points by way of background which is on page four or pay 64 A of your pack and obviously section 1 2 in 1 3 outline the media coverage and social media coverage that
accompanied the launch of the local industry strategy or Agnes section 1 3 talks about the feedback that the strategy has produced which has been very very positive
feedback has stated that it gives GM a clear set of priorities around which to coordinate action its specific enough to drive their impact for activity now but also flexible to respond to changing circumstances and the second point
by way of background is that the Greater Manchester local industrial strategy doesn't work in isolation is one of a suite of documents that GMCA House the Greater Manchester Strategy the emerging Greater Manchester Spatial Framework the public service White paper Health and social Care prospectus and a five-year environmental plans should be seen in the context of those section 2 outlines the governance arrangements for monitoring and delivering the local industrial strategy and its outlines a strategic role for the great monster lap and also the great most growth Board which involves all 10 district Lead Portfolio Holders for economy business and also obviously for the GMCA and the decision making process for the GMCA and section 3 then goes on to talk about the industrial strategy actions on the implementation Plan and
I think a core feature of the way the implementation plan has been developed and how it's going to be progressed as a bottom-up approach the UN's were already working with directors of place across Greater Manchester and to actually help shape a local response to the Greater Manchester Strategy and help move those issues that forwards an and section 3 6 outlines Year 1 priorities of the plan and you will see in the Annex there are 52 priorities I think it's important to state that this is a long term plan
look to three years and probably 10 years in fact and but there have been some priorities highlighted for year one and they are in or are identified in bold type bullets in section 3 points 6
i'm just moving on Sue searching for a that outlines the resource requirements there and it talks about how existing Greater Manchester Combined Authority that funds will be aligned or particularly the Local growth Fund and also the relaunch of the 70 million pounds worth of IT business investment funds that are now on the management to GM LAs priorities and the idea is to reduce bureaucracy not to create a another industry around this so wherever possible we are going to
use existing capacity resources within GM districts and partner organisations and but as
the report set out in Section 4 3 that when any additional resources are allocated then that pile activity will be subject to development of a Green Book compliant business case but against local criteria not that potentially those national criteria
moving on section 4 describes where those resources go on to be allocated and again there involved bullets
finally I x 1 describes in detail the 52 or action points with the priority actions highlighted in red than just finally Chair recommendations are at the front of the report and

[Seat 38 - 0:55:19]

wish to comment on this item
councillor Tom McGee

[Seat 27* - 0:55:26]

thank you check and we would support the Stockport the a the recommendations in the milestones think a if at least Wilson was here as she's the GM Lead for digital should be interested also in the the spread of digital
a skills out to the city centre into all 10 authorities wherever possible and how that might be achieved because that's going to be a fundamental part erm fundamental anchor I think and waiting for development across all 10 authorities so in its sir it I think was interested in the detail of how things are going to be achieved as opposed to not been in favour of them

[Seat 27 - 0:56:23]

[Seat 12* - 0:56:24]

yes thank you so I am just on that particular points and more generally I am
very local
industrial strategy has tentacles in all portfolios across Greater Manchester and the idea of the plan is to track Ward and I always activities that are happening across GM so absolutely agree that there are a number of areas including digital skills that need to be rolled out across GM and let's hope that you are the governance arrangements here can monitor that successfully to be
to the satisfaction of the portfolio holders across GM that the Leader portfolio holders

[Seat 38 - 0:57:06]

photos Jim just out of course it does need to be looked at alongside the Greater Manchester Spatial Framework and OSLA is particularly for there to rebalance particularly towards the north of the conurbation in terms of
quality jobs and
an investment
points I would just say in closing this item is that of course the Industrial Strategy was signed off
under the previous prime minister previous cabinet
R and
its status has not been fully confirmed think it's fair to say under the new the new prime Minister and Cabinet
this is important because our view here is very clear that this strategy is the right strategy for Greater Manchester it was developed through painstaking a review of the evidence
are and by
making if we approve these recommendations that are before you today that shows that we are come what may determined to implement this and I think it sends a very clear message to the government that we expect
the government itself to to get behind the Greater Manchester industrial strategy as we as we move forward so with those observations are colleagues content to accept these recommendations
thank you very much
OK moving on to Item
I thought Jim did such a wonderful job on the last item that I would bestow on him the greatest honour the Combined Authority can give which is introduced a Brexit preparedness of date

[Seat 12* - 0:58:41]

thank you Chair
really appreciate that Sir and gossman thank-you so and
yes so at Section 1 basically just outlines some of the later Sturm background and politics which I would not want to comment on so I leave the Combined Authority to do that I just would rather focus on the GM preparedness which you section 2 and and just an update since the last year MCA meetings in oversees a regular item on our agenda and so Section 2 one again and just reinforces that the Manchester Greater Manchester group continues to it to me on a formula basis and the membership there is quite comprehensive of organisations and representation there i'm not significantly section to point to outlines the outcomes plan that's been happening across GM and there are details there are including a dedicated section on the GMCA website providing information and signposting in the reserve a link there are AGS was also talk about the fact that will awaiting a bed for him MHC algae and if that awarded them will be able to increase that communication and 1 and
Section C talks about the work of the economic resilience Task Force and as you Chair have reported at recent C A meetings that was tested recently although not directly Brexit related through the collapse of Thomas Cook and the response that GMCA had to that which was very very proactive and so that if you like given a somewhat of a dry run to them and Section C talks about the latest progress on the UK shared prosperity forms and we are it has been suggested that this in that the design of this fund will take place after the spending review on 20 20 which Estate in report does present a potential risk of delaying from litter greater Munster projects and in Section 2 points 6 and outlines other areas of discussion the various groups that have been having two to combat at some of those particular issues that borders transport infrastructure health and social care food water and the business and economy and so on
the dashboards which comes every month is appended to the report and the recommendations of the Francis report which are basically just two notes early updates are underway across GM for the preparedness and
thanks very much indeed a gym as any colleague really want to comment on this item you can't if you would like to
if not
can we notes the Brexit preparedness report we did have a full discussion after last-minute CAA on the various work strands underway across across Greater Manchester there was a high degree of assurance of what colleagues here and doing at least
add to protect us in all eventualities so if we note the report and thank Jim and move on
to Item 12 grapes Munster armed forces Covenant at delivery update
if he'd been here Steven Pleasant would have given this
a report today and it is right for me to say and we offered you all he's done a tremendous amount of work in this area
over the last few years through the signing of the covenant and everything that's followed since I was once put that on record reports self-explanatory
it would it outlines is tremendous progress actually in terms of Greater Manchester becoming the
in many ways that the gold standard for how we support our forces
when they leave active at service
and you will see a number of successes at highlighted under Section 2 for instance the creation of a an armed forces Covenant portal so one place for people to go and get a range of information about what's available to them in Greater Manchester under to point for significant work in the health field particularly around mental health we thank John and his colleagues for their contribution at this to be the suicide prevention workers link is crucially important there's been worked to support brought in house with their red redevelopment on the theme of sport greater Sports moving forces project so some really positive work taking place there and that's worth noting as is the transition pilots to point 5 this is obviously improving the the
crucial support given as people are leaving active service and erm
re RE
entering civilian life and often that is where things can go wrong and we'll be bringing forward our defence transition service launch later later in the year very impressive work on on homelessness as well and just to
show that this isn't just ourselves patting ourselves on the back we are receiving quite a lot of out external praise for the work that the most individual districts and indeed the GMCA is doing last night Wednesday night the GMCA and Wigan Council at one silver awards at the MOD armed forces Covenant award ceremony at the Imperial War Museum at North
this is a an employer recognition scheme that is supported by a huge range of organisations quite prestigious
an already there are a number of other districts that have recognition under this scheme I think I'm right in saying that Trafford Council and Tameside Council
have been awarded gold status and will collect their rewards later this this month and overall there are now six GM organizations with an award under this scheme which I think accounts for
a tenth of all the wards nationally so we are of the 50 or so was having given out we've got over a while we got 6 and which is a huge number so and that is external validation of what we're doing
this is work that I'm sure we would all want to continue to support and show that support as we approach a remembrance Remembrance Sunday I'd like to thank colleagues for their commitment to the implementation of the covenant and ask you to two notes
the update but also approve at the proposal to continue the armed forces Covenant post within the GMCA as you will know that is filled by Chris Thomas were extremely lucky to have Grace and I want to use this opportunity to thank you for everything you've done to put us in this in this extremely strong position with regards the armed forces Covenant and its implementation is making a big difference to a lot of people's lives recognising the Greater Manchester I think is the strongest recruiting ground for our armed forces of anywhere in the country so it therefore follows that we should be setting the highest possible standard of the support of those are those people as they returned to civilian life so with that colleagues unless anyone would like to continue Councillor Andrew Western

[Seat 17 - 1:06:11]

thanks under yet as very briefly to place on record my thanks to embassy for the work they're doing in improving work veterans across GM that clearly played a role in the in the award that trappers received I'm sure in terms of integrated way that we work to improve services but just to reflect briefly in confirmed that yes we have been awarded the Gold award by the MOD and our team is is going to collect that in London and a couple of weeks but I particularly just wanted to place on record in this for my thanks to Sue Wright who's been are Lead Officer in imposing this vote for that award at the first time of asking and also to Councillor Judith Lloyd who is our Lead Member for and the armed forces and veterans so so with that just very much an endorsement of this report and a thank you to them

[Seat 38 - 1:06:58]

thank you very much Andrew Councillor Brenda Warrington and John Fielding

[Seat 26 - 1:07:05]

air thanks Andy I mean certainly following Gareth a and the western I can't let go the fact that we also of course have got the gold award but it is down to a tremendous amount of work from people who actually did not seek thanks that they just want to make and lives better for people and we certainly have enlisted an awful lot of our voluntary sector in this works was I think they have to be recognised for the input that they have but we have a particular officer as well Vanessa Rothwell who has done a tremendous amount of work in Tameside and has helped to think to shape and the covenant covenant in in Greater Manchester and I do think that what we have in a range of agencies that have come on unstrained quite quickly since they've learned about this in order to make sure that some of veterans do have as much support as they need whatever that need is in in really are coming back into civilian life so it is thanks to everyone that is involved

[Seat 38 - 1:08:13]

in this work it really is appreciated thank you
for Durham which Brenda Councillor Sean fielding

[Seat 28 - 1:08:16]

venture errm like Members around the Chamber on yourself I am incredibly proud of the work that's gone on to pull this together in the way that we help and support our armed forces veterans in Greater Manchester and do think it's a great example that we can set to the rest of the country I want to take the opportunity to pay tribute to Councillor Cath Ball whose armed forces champion in Oldham and who is behind his resigning down forces comic common in 20 17 Oldham doesn't have gold recognition status at the moment we currently have silver but we are working towards gold and I am confident that we will achieve it with all the work that CAFRE all doors and and a couple of things that one of the things in particular I want to highlight that we do in Oldham to support veterans is the change to our housing policy to ensure that those who have served and their families are not required to evidence a time stated linked to the local area and are treated equally in terms of housing allocation because we know through the work that is done through homelessness that there is a disproportionate number of armed forces veterans represented amongst rough sleepers in the homeless across the city region and I think things that we can do around House in not well not just on housing but right across how we support armed forces veterans are certainly things worth doing and the request for just 6 thousand pounds to support the continuation of the post that we need to to continue this work to me as a small price to pay to support those who give so much by joining the armed forces and take part in defending erm bars and other people and the people that we represent from harm so thank you very much

[Seat 38 - 1:09:45]

most agenda heard Councillor David Molyneux

[Seat 34* - 1:09:49]

are thank you thank you and I was fortunate enough to be at the awards on on Wednesday night and it was very significant to
the mention of GM authorities and the support that they are given this a particular issue or one of the other points that we picked out was actually the people who work for as local authorities who are in the reserve units are and as much as we've been encouraged to work trainers today sorry lab not
with you over a uniform day where the ask a all businesses if they've got me service can be whether uniforms on that one day to shore up the support of the the businesses of the council's or the health authorities gift to the people who work for them and what was also significant is that it was the last speaker of the main speaker spoke very highly of the work that's going on this side of the Pennines and certainly were outstanding as opposed to all the other or the regions in the country so I think it's fantastic that we continue this support when we enjoy many experts service personnel and veterans we up and it's important that you give them as much support as possible and hopefully we can carry on with his good work

[Seat 38 - 1:11:05]

thanks very much for David and and thank you colleagues some really warm comments and well made
contributions and I thank you all for them the issue of homelessness Councillor fielding raising with a commentary on the next item cause is a
ongoing issue that we need to to always
have an eye to but
this is an area where
we can be justifiably proud of what we've what we've done
as you know I like to keep setting stretching goals but I see no reason why we shouldn't be aiming for 11 gold awards across the 10 districts and GMCA in time to show that continued determination to get the very best of or for
those who deserve
it and well on the way to doing that so with that colleagues could I ask
you to
note the recommendations and indeed approved the the funding arrangements for the post of armed forces Covenant Officer you very much
ITEM 13 homelessness update I will ask Mr. Bennett to say something as well to supplement just the comments I want to make a don't intend to
detain the CAA too long
on this although there is important information within the or update
and developments that its is very important to to keep bringing before the CAA given the high level of public concern about this issue particularly as we had towards
a winter that will be will be being dreaded by anybody who is currently on our streets are on the streets anywhere in the rest of the country
what the note sets out under item
2 is
how through support from the government is fair to say
we put in place stronger outreach capacity in all 10 Foras
as they are now part of the Rough Sleepers Initiative are and of course that also brings the ability to do the regular counts
and we put those figures in the public domain to day showing that Greater Manchester are currently across our 10 districts counts 100 and 95 people sleeping rough on our streets
that is a significant drop on the official count
last last year
and so does suggest that the quite a strong progress is being made 241 on the official countless year 100 95 through the Araci counts which are at least as strong if not even more rigorous which suggested were on course in the official Council to achieve a second consecutive fall in the numbers following seven years of rises so it this is a
testament to all the work is going on in all the districts and I'd like to through you thank you for your your homelessness and housing teams who obviously are responsible for a lot of this this progress under item 3 you will see an update on Housing First we are one of three pilot areas
putting forward this new model which is based on experience in Finland and in the US where we provide homes plus support recognising the a bed every night is not right for everybody there are some people who will not want that kind of provision and he will want her Housing First is more appropriate option since it launched in July we've seen 33 people permanently rehoused through that a scheme or an 80 people have been referred to it but are still awaiting a combination so of course we are talking to the housing providers to see if we can increase the flow of properties so that we can get quickly to those 80 people and if we can do that ahead of the winter then apt that absolutely what what should be done
turning to bed every night under item for
of course
we've seen in this space I think one of the real dividends of devolution where Greater Manchester partner organisations and particularly the NHS has come together to fund support for people on on an ongoing basis and in my view this is absolutely the right thing to do latest figures suggest that there are 350 are eight people using a bed every night at the moment are the number of commissioned places will rise to over 400 at the beginning of November
and asked why I say we're in the strongest position we've been set to face the coming at the coming winter
but every night in phase 2 is being strengthened by the greater input from the NHS
and we've got a greater diversity of provision to include more women only provision provision for people with with with pets are more provision for couples so it's improving it's not perfect and we all know we need to to make it better still and let let's just be clear there's no complacency here 195 people on our streets is still a 100 nights five of our fellow citizens who are suffering
whose health is deteriorating who are at great risk or and I come back to it in this day and age it shouldn't it shouldn't be what happens we shall be able to do more and I believe breaks must be showing that we are able to do more I think what the figures also showed though is that there is any reduction in the flow in terms of the numbers of people coming on to the streets or wild Greater Manchester's response has got better I don't think some of the the big policy issues that are causing so many people to come on to our streets have yet been fixed and I think that's a message that this CA needs to keep on sending back down to parliament until the government issues around the Local Housing Allowance issues around Universal credit
issues around the private rented sector
these are all the long-term issues that need to be addressed if we are to get both the reduction in the numbers of people coming onto the streets and better support for those for those who do I don't have made Dennett would like to add anything to what I've said

[Seat 12 - 1:17:23]

so yes thank you Mayor Burnham I mean yesterday we had the Housing action Network meeting at Salford University and we were discussing Greater Manchester's homelessness Prevention Strategy so looking forward the next 10 years and building on all of this this great work that's happened across Greater Manchester through Housing First bed every night and tackling rough sleeping ending the need for a fight 20 20 as we know is is our target and for me it's it's not just about the numbers really because behind every one of these numbers is a human life is a journey as an experience and yesterday at the Housing action that were we were really trying to get into the space of thinking Well how do we actually tackle the real structural issues causing homelessness and rough sleeping in the first place than Melbourne's already highlighted this is about building more truly affordable housing council housing social housing is about looking at the Local Housing Allowance and how at the moment if you're dependent upon benefits you can't access some accommodation within the private rented sector is also about tackling what goes on in the private rented sector because we know no fault evictions is the biggest cause of homelessness within Greater Manchester also welfare reform people under occupying and being pushed into debt because of the bedroom tax that was introduced by the previous government and then also what's going on in the labour market in terms of low paid zero hour contracts precarious employment and that creating this kind of precarious world in which many people find themselves in causing issues around mental health drug and alcohol addiction and also austerity inhabits impacted local services within the district so moving forward we are increasingly thinking about how we collaborate around this agenda and you know we've already responded to some of this in the Housing Strategy colleagues will know we've got a target now of 50 thousand affordable homes over the period of the Spatial Framework 30 thousand of those we want to be social rented therefore truly affordable therefore Local Housing Allowance issue shouldn't cause a problem for getting people into accommodation but I think yesterday was was great just been a room of people who are working on this agenda and actually committed to working with the Combined Authority Districts public private community and voluntary sector social enterprises as well to actually find a more medium to long term solution to tackling the scourge that is homelessness and rough sleeping in 21st century Britain so I just want to say thank you to everyone for working so hard on this agenda is and these top priority and I think you know we've done a great job in the City region but I wouldn't want us to be complacent because there is an awful lot more work to be done if we are going to tackle those structural issues causing homelessness and rough sleeping in the first place to thank you

[Seat 38 - 1:20:08]

thanks very much indeed Paul Councillor Sue Murphy
I thank the Member and

[Seat 7 - 1:20:14]

I don't want to repeat what has already been said but I think the great strength of a bed every night is the way that with any business enabled us to work across Greater Manchester not just across local authorities but with our partners in the Health Service and the Ministry of Justice to make a difference to some of the most vulnerable people that we have in the conurbation
and the numbers are impressive we managed to help a huge number of people however what does concern me is having responsibility for homelessness in Manchester is the flow of new people onto the street and the complexity of the needs that some of those people have and that's been driven by a lot of the issues that lead on it referred to it basically driven by the savagery of austerity and received people who can't access the support they need who are losing their homes through no fault of their own and a number of those people will end up with no alternative other than to sleep rough but it starts earlier than that assumed in Manchester currently we're seeing over 100 presentations every single day to the Town Hall of people who are about to lose their home or who have lost their home largely through no fault of their own so we need to lobby the government yet again strongly first of all to continue the one off funding that we've not because we have funding that's due to finish at the end of next year and we need some certainty about that they can continue the work we are doing we also need that structural change that has been referred to about things like Local Housing Allowance and about Section 21 evictions so that we can change the system in Greater Manchester in a way that will support those people and not just help people who are on the street but prevent them from getting there in the first place
front room should be the so on these big issues that you mentioned do need to be
put back to the government Local Housing Allowances is definitely are a real issue doesn't get the same attention as universal credit with nevertheless it has a very very the freezing of has a very detrimental impact in terms of affordability of housing in the private rented sector
and I could keep going back to an issue no recourse to public funds we do the right thing here by being
a place that welcomes refugees and asylum seekers and yet the government then abandons responsibility by saying we up to a
through charitable roots support people than who at the end of that process have not nothing else
to fall back on and how a Christian country can have in law a clause that legitimises destitution that says people can have nothing I honestly don't don't know
so these big issues need to be addressed but as Paul sad them in the Great Minster homelessness action Network which did me yesterday is probably the best example of co-production because the very notion of bed every night came up through that body and I think is stronger because it was tested amongst all of those groups to Paul mentioned 2 thousand 200 people accessed a battery night and Councillor Fielding's right
a number of those people not not accusing him of a significant number are at armed forces but there also careleavers
that people who face trauma in a whole range of ways in which they had not been supported
and therefore bed every night is the final safety net but the encouraging figure is 800 of those 2 thousand 200 people have used the Sanctuary provided by bed every night to move that forward again and I think for a policy that isn't even a year old yet to have 800 lives affected in that way is is pretty remarkable achievement it's it's something that we really should celebrate so like Paul I thank all districts all colleagues for your ongoing commitment to this because we have made a difference over the last year but I think as we move forward from here were getting even stronger in terms of what we are providing and I think you'll make an even bigger difference going forward so thanks colleagues for your contributions are and
if I could ask you to note the report and move on to Item 14 at GMCA culture funding two thousand twenty and onwards Councillor David greenhouse

[Seat 3 - 1:24:41]

thank you Mayor Burnham and I hope it's worth the wait cancer were finally here
it seemed like I've run half a marathon there actually in getting this here and there but we are here and I am delighted to
introduce this report which are after all notes first of all the celebration that there has been a 39 percent increase in cultural engagement at from those organisations that benefited from cultural funding at 20 18 at to 20 and it also asked to agree an revised approach and just to remind colleagues this is obviously the continuation of GMC investment into cultural organisations across the conurbation
the criteria for cultural organisations remains the same at why would we change it because it's already been very successful at top slicing the separate budget which was originally in the cultural
Fund social impact this is not taking money away from the culture and this was money that was currently in the fund the children at 70 thousand sorry non-return 70 thousand dollars the top slicing of the separate budget from the social impact to get out of the culture ring-fencing 270 thousand pounds of the cultural fund into a separate am at part where which will be across partner cross organisational funding so that hopefully partners will come together
to deliver a cultural offer and it is also turning the page to agree that in line with current practice the portfolio and all administrative costs will be managed from within the budget and that this again shall be a cultural fund which will last for two years 20 20 20 22
it is proposing at the 15 per cent air cap at the wording is very clear that in reaching final recommendations about the portfolio of grants to award a flexible approach will be needed to consider the issues of balance across artform geography and sustainability the whole GM cultural ecosystem and overall resources available as part of this process GMC is minded to consider limiting amount of funding any single cultural organisation can receive to no more than 50 per cent of the Greater Manchester cultural Fund subject to understanding the impact on the viability and any organisation affected clearly the introduction of any cap just to remind colleagues 30 only approximately a third of those organisations that apply for the fund are successful and the cap will introduce the possibility of reaching out to further organisations from across the whole convention to be able to benefit from the cultural offer the were hoping to deliver within GM so I have great pleasure in presenting this report to the Combined Authority and

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worth away very skilfully done and I am almost tempted to ask for an encore but were unharmed to test the patience of the Combined Authority only colleagues like to comment on this item Councillor Andrew Western

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he thanked Andy and I want to start by thanking Councillor Green House for the collaborative way in which he's gone about bringing this paper forward it has as he says taken some time to get to a point where it comes before the Combined Authority to day but I think he's been really patient and and got it to a place and where we can all be happy likewise his team so Alison Gordon Marie Claire and Gareth Williams who are opaque today and the substantial change that this
brings about having been involved in the in the working groups and to take the paper forward as the introduction of that 15 per cent and ceiling and I want to strongly endorse that because as David says that allows us to diversify the range and type and location of organisations that may or may not be accessible for funding I do want to sound one note of caution in the way that the recommendation is written which is that it is theoretically possible that we would introduce additional scrutiny for organisations to go from above 15 percent to below 15 percent beyond the level of scrutiny that we might for an organisation for instance going from 14 percent to 7 or 8 per cent but nonetheless I really welcome and the introduction of the cap because I think it is the right thing to do allows us to support more organisations that we can at present and therefore broaden and diversify the cultural offer and key
thank you Andrew
and asked if not if David lights come back on

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now just really appreciate those words from under any has been a process that was well worth it in the end I hope it was very remiss of me not to thank the officers in the team and Andrew gruesome beyond that I bought at Marie Claire Gareth and am I to Alison's Overton House and Garden and the Chief Exec of Wigan or have been great supported a great team and it's a pleasure to work with them thank you
thank you very much they go
always as the former culture secretary I can say the funding of culture is always there are challenging subject or be carried off with great skill and I think the collaborative way in which you have dealt with it is as Andrew mentioned it is very much appreciated I think the cap exists to make sure we get this balance between what happens in the centre and also then walk what culture activity weaken we can bring to the outlying districts and the town of culture initiative sits very much in that space doesn't it where we want a organizations to try to use the power of culture or in all of our in all of our borrowers so it is or it is a sensitive balance and nobody would want see any organisation destabilised but at the same time we're trying to get the best we can from the budget in a way that's fair to all 10 districts and I think you struck that you've struck that balance so colleagues if I could ask you to note the recommendations are and or approve the
agree the proposed revised approach to GMCA investment in culture from April 20 20 onwards recognising that the organisation's out there waiting for this news today
and I think if we can agree this it will help them plan for next year is that agreed colleagues
thank you very much so let's move on to Item 15 GMCA Local growth Deal at six-monthly Transport progress update I am going to deal with this very quickly because of colleagues in the room will be familiar with all of the schemes listed at within it many of which we've talked about before what we are being asked to do here is grant full approval for the Inner Ring Road Great Ancoats scheme which came through at an earlier stage through the Combined Authority wishes for the release of the remaining eight point 2 1 3 million and colleagues will know that had been concerned about cycling
provision in this area but there is a separate scheme as part of the Victoria to Piccadilly Mayor's Cycling challenge fund that will provide a parallel route to provide the as you might say a safer cycling options so just to note that one point 1 5 million for the Rochdale Town Centre connectivity minor works and 1 point 6 5 million
advance utility works for Trafford Road a major scheme
and those arrangements are set out in paragraph 3 3 1
a colleagues happy with the recommendations
excellent thank you very much item 16 rail station Alliance update
this is one just for noting I think there is good progress being made our ambition remains at that we want to have full devolution of all train stations in Greater Manchester to maximise the regeneration benefits and these workstreams has three workstreams are showing that as we have greater involvement we are beginning to bring much greater use of more benefit to the community so it's good work in progress I don't intend to delay the Combined Authority much longer
and would just ask colleagues to to note the report
ITEM 17 GMCA Revenue Budget update David Molyneux

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Just before I move these two reports through two additional reports at item 20
20 on the on section 22 on part the both of been withdrawn so that speed it up a little bit
come over the nine recommendations that are on the front of report on Item 17 its issues and
budget issues that we've talked about before so I am happy to move them
that's that
agree that items
the recommendations are set out are agreed and then we have a capital update David
any colleague what's coming on any item under the Capital update
if not thank you
ITEM 19 Housing investment loans fund
the revised investment Strategy Mount Denys
thank you my home I feel as Ashes remove the recommendation but

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I don't do that as you know
so apologies
oversee the recommendation is to approve the revised investment Strategy
and also oversee note the investment lifespan to date and this was agreed by the Combined Authority back in March 20 15 and as you know it's about delivering houses between 10 and 15 thousand over a 10 year period enabling us to meet local housing need and also enabling the government to meet its housing targets as well you'll note in the report that we can only make recoverable investments what I'm getting at there is debt and equity and they have to be delivered through private sector led schemes
obviously this is underwritten and the repayment of this fund by 80 percent and new as District Local authorities through the Combined Authority underwrite 240 million of this 300 million investment fund which needs to be returned to emerge the LG by Twenty Twenty eight original investment Strategy was updated and approved by the sea 18 July 20 16 and as we know the initial focus was very much on city centre developments providing debt over fairly low risk with the risk of any loss limited to 20 percent we have obviously amended the strategy moving forward and that's been underpinned by some work at six point 3 or seen the report a City Centre Review undertaken by J L L in January of this year and which reaffirms to us that demand continues to outstrip supply of city centre apartment living by and large with agreed to continue to review the city centre housing market every two years and as you will know there is an annual review of processes and procedures any way through the Housing investment loans from the last one was done in April of this year and that has provided a part positive assurance to us all that things are in place and working well really at the moment there's no real risk with some of the loans we've entered into and you will note that to date with loaned 435 point 4 million across 49 projects and that's brought forward 5 thousand 985 additional homes would know is a lot of these schemes are on brownfield land so it is a demonstration really of the Greater Manchester Combined Authority using the investment lays Fund to deliver brownfield preference which as colleagues in this Chamber will know is part of our draft GMSF to date so without further ado I just want to obviously recommend the revised strategy to the Combined Authority and asked that we approve these further amendments thank you

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thanks very much indeed the full
and her colleague one to come in on this item
if not I just want to reference and ongoing appeared in the Guardian earlier this week about Manc Hatton
referencing some of the
towers that we now see in the city centre I think the store we have not got over which is very much what this revised strategy is about is how the the value that is captured there can now be recycled to schemes to tackle homelessness affordable housing help regenerate areas of Greater Manchester that really need the support and natter an extra bit of our story that we need to do better I think that a telling because it can I suggest as it was all about building those blocks and nothing and nothing else obviously
the success of those schemes creates a fund that is recycle recycling money to those other other parts of Greater Manchester Nobbs's that's that part of its its power
and it's a positive story I would say

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Just just going back on that colleagues have already agreed that the surpluses from the Housing investment loans fund will be used to deliver the housing strategy that we've already agreed for Greater Manchester and colleagues will know that is about delivering on our target of 50 thousand affordable homes over the period of the Plan source about tackling standards within the private rented sector it's also about delivering on the Townson to challenge that the Mayor and a set of so we are using the Housing investment funds in really innovative ways to try to deliver some of the things we have committed to either in the GMSF or in their Housing Strategy so this doesn't sit in isolation I guess is one saying it's linked to lots of other work within the Combined Authority

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thanks very much indeed Paul so if colleagues were content to approve the revised investment Strategy and Q and that concludes business for today Item 20 been withdrawn or colleagues can I thank you for your attendance thank Salford again and we will see you at the next meeting of contributory shower
I will make any comment about fixing the roof while the sun was shining

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